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OptimusPrime · Champion of Justice Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 424

So, did you catch that Nationwide race Saturday night? Hell of a finish. If you missed it, check it out here

Now I have defended Carl on many occasions and he has been one of my favorites, but he went way too far here. The way he defends himself this time only makes it worse:

"The deal is he'll eventually learn he can't run into my car over and over and put me in bad situations," Edwards said. "In every situation, there's an aggressor and there's someone who reacts."
"The way it went, he bumped me and he finished wherever he finished and I still won the race," Edwards said. "That's the only way I could see the race turning out fair."

Carl is usually so well spoken, and I guess he still is, but he is admitting Keselowski got him angry and he retaliated. And apparently he thinks Keselowski's bump and run attempt was equal to what he delivered back.

I strongly disagree. I'm not a fan of the bump and run. And the guys I call my drivers (like Jr. or Martin) do not use bump-and-run to win races. And that is why I like them. I do not need ever defend them on points like this. But I see a huge difference between bumping-and-running on the last lap for the win and driving so hard left into somebody's right rear until they are pointing backwards on the track.

Last time Carl got Keselowski upside down at Atlanta it was fair to say that Edwards had no way of knowing how badly Brad would wreck. And Keselowski had already wrecked Carl and ended Carl's chance to win Atlanta. That is not the case this time. Carl drove hard into him, knowing full well he was going to spin him around. Not only was it the most unsportsman like move that I can recalling ever seeing in racing (off the top of my head), but it resulted in no less then 10 other cars being torn up - at least 5 completely destroyed. Keselowski, or anyone else for that matter, could have been killed. And Carl did it on purpose. And what Keselowski had done to offend Carl had posed no such risk and was much more controlled and not out of anger!

I can't help but remeber Talladega when Regan Smith was stripped of his win over Tony Stewart for letting Tony Stewart force him bellow the yellow line and continue racing (apparently when this happens you are supposed to hit the brakes). I've never let go of that day - it was unjust and Nascar officiatings darkest moment. That were playing the popularity game. It was the only time (in my life) I remember a driver being stripped of his win. And how many cars/ injuries did Smith save that day? Ironically, Keselowski & Edwards would go on to prove how right Regan Smith was on the same track - same scenario (when Carl got upside down and the fans in the crowd were injured).

But doesn't it seem stupid that Nascar considers Smith's safety conscientious move at Talladega more offensive and penalizable then Carl tearing up the field to retaliate under anger for the win?

I know Keselowski isn't popular on here, but what does everyone else (especially Cowboy) think about this one?
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Bob Hall · Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:48 pm Post subject:

F Keselowski.
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Cowboy66222 · Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:28 am Post subject:

Oh Edwards screwed up, definitely. He talks about how hard all of his guys worked just to have the win taken from him like that... well doesn't he think Keselowski and all those others worked hard too just to have their whole race smashed on the last lap like that?

What about when Edwards pulled a bump and run on Kyle Busch at Bristol in August '08? Was that not fair? What would Edwards have said had Kyle Busch just flat dumped his ass after that? Well I do remember some post race controversy with Busch bumping Edwards back and Edwards just spinning Kyle Busch.

Edwards is becoming NASCAR's #1 bad boy. That's all there is to it. And all those points he gained on Keselowski for the Championship are going to be lost at some point. Keselowski is going to wreck Edwards back some time. Possibly in a cup race where Edwards is barely clinging to a chase position.
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Taz · Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:52 pm Post subject:

I think there's a difference between bumping and doing what Edwards did. Edwards did the P.I.T. manouver on Brad. Straight out of a police car chase on an interstate. Not a doubt about it. He pull a textbook P.I.T. manouver.

That's not racing. I tell you, I would've punched Carl right in the face with everything I had.

OptimusPrime · Champion of Justice Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 424

Cowboy66222 · Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:56 pm Post subject:

Hey, fighting ain't as much about size as it is technique. That's not to say that size and strength don't give you an advantage, but it's all for loss if you don't know what to do with it.

And thanks for the compliments on the sig... My girlfriend took that picture for me Smile

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Taz · Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject:

Well after all those other cars were affected by it. Maybe Carl should be worrying about more than just Brad. Laughing

OptimusPrime · Champion of Justice Joined: 27 May 2007 Posts: 424

Cowboy66222 · Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:19 pm Post subject:

We can fix this stuff right now. But ti would mean NASCAR stepping back from the "Have at it" a good deal. If you wreck another mans car and it is deemed as nothing short of intentional, your car owner now has to pay for all of the cars damaged in the accident. NASCAR will set a monetary value as to what a race car is worth, and if a car is damaged beyond a few good scratches and dents in an accidetn, your team owner pays for that mans car. Your owner can't afford to keep replacing his own cars (which is why I can't figure out why Roger Penske won't fire Sam Hornish, Mobil 1 must love the man), but he certainly can't afford to lose money to other car owners!!!! Taht will make you think 3-4 times over before you go flat dump another car on a straightaway!
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Taz · Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject:

Sounds like you're on to something Duane.

It wouldn't surprise me if the owners of the cars that get wrecked by shenanigans like that, started plotting some kind of revenge on ANY driver who did that.

Not to pick only on Carl. He's not the first to play dirty, and won't be the last.